Monday, January 19, 2009

The Shortstack Results

Ok, so my record keeping is far from perfect, but it should be damn close.  Since October 17th to the present day at Full Tilt, Cake Poker, and Bodog, here are the numbers:

At approximately 9 tables played simulaneously at stakes from $0.5/1- $5/10 (about 75% from $1/2 and 20% $2/4 with only tiny samples in the outlying limits)

161:33 Hours played
Total Winnings: $4,526
Win Rate: $28.02/hr*

With rakeback, add an additional ~$15/hr, bringing the total to about $43/hr.

That being said, I should add two things:

1)  All of these winnings came from Cake Poker, the total actually being $4,753 in 106:25 hours, with the win rate at that particular site being $44.66/hr!  Now the main reason for this is that a HUD is not allowable at this site.  Until I really have started to learn using one the right way recently, I have found that it has always had a negative impact on my play.  Furthermore, sites that do not allow HUDs will necessarily attract worse competition because many multi-tabling sharks simply can not function without them. 

2)  Although not the largest of sample sizes (approx. 100,000 hands), this should be enough to show that there can be good money made from short-stacking when it is applied well.  Currently, I do not know anyone else personally who can say that they make $40/hr+, so this type of money is nothing to scoff at.

In conclusion, I will give the detractors one thing- this type of play is NOT particularly rewarding.  However, it is a great thing to do if you have other activities to attend to that require excess brain power or you do not feel like you are at your peak in a given day.  In a previous post, I stated that I would not be publishing my strategy, though I am considering offering a seminar to teach this strategy, which I feel can be learned in less than 2 days.  If anyone is interested, you know where to find me!


Anonymous said...


Great results! Congratualations.

Is your approach very different from Ed Miller's approach in his book Getting Started in Hold 'em?

I'm interested in learning your short stack approach.

I've been out of work for a while and am recovering from surgery. So when I get a job and go back to the casino I won't have the bankroll to buy in full ($1-3 NL). Thus my interest in your seminar or class.

Please post how to contact you via email or however you prefer to find out about your teaching.



Anonymous said...

Please post about how to contact you. I don't see an email for you. I'm interested in your short stacking seminar you mentioned.


Lorin Yelle said...

Sorry, we had a vicious ice storm and I have lost power for the past few days and I have thus not had much access to a computer. So here goes:

I was originally inspired by the work of Rolf Slotboom in his book "Secrets of Professional Pot Limit Omaha" and then by the excerpt from Miller as you had mentioned. I have played around with different concepts to convert the PLO strategy with specific starting hands requirements by position as well as post flop strategies and squeeze plays. I also tried to simplify it enough to maximize profit and minimize decision making so I could play the most tables.

The best way to get a hold of me would be to post your email address in this comment section which would go straight to my inbox and not be published directly. I leave my contact information off as I have spam concerns.

Thanks for your interest!